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davesgrandad
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30/11/2008 : 21:59:41
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After working through Hanno's Quick Start Habitat Phase 1 exercise, I find that the Habitat phase 1.stl style is now the default and I cannot get back to the styles as shown in the Manual examples.
Hanno's document at Instruction 3 has us importing this file and overwrite, and then save as default.
Is this what has caused my problem?
It is no problem if I can get the old default back again, but I can see no way to do this.
It looks as if it might have been called mm1.stl, but I guess that it now contains all the Habitat phase 1 data.
Why is the default file not just another file in the style library, to be called upon as needed?
Best wishes to all,
David |
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allan
Saint Lucia
303 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 23:28:29
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Hi David,
The default is mmm.stl, stored in Docs&settings\....Application Data\MapMaker\Gratis. If you rename that then open the program you will have the original default, created as mmm.stl, which you can then save with style management. However, the original default isn't really something you need. It is an example as the starting point for your own style sets. |
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davesgrandad
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2008 : 18:17:38
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Hi Allan,
I have tracked down the file mmm.stl, as you suggested, but it no longer contains the original default style file. It now contains the Habitat Phase 1 styles, which leaves me in the same situation as before I think.
Best wishes to all,
David |
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allan
Saint Lucia
303 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2008 : 18:23:50
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| David - mmm.stl is indeed the new default, which is why you need to remove it from circulation, e.g. rename it so that you can access it later if needed, or delete it. Then when you restart the program a new mmm.stl is created, the original that came with the program. |
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davesgrandad
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 20:49:24
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Hi Allan,
My apologies. I misunderstood your first reply, not realising at first why you told me to rename it. I have once again tracked down mmm.stl, renamed it to mmmold.stl, opened up Mapmaker and lo, just as you said, the old default style is now back there. I have now saved it as default.stl and imported it into the style library. Hopefully I can now get it back easily at any time I need it.
Incidentally under Vista, I found mmm.stl in David/appdata/Mapmaker/gratis/config.
I find all the file setup in Vista most confusing, but that is beside the point.
Thanks for your help once again Allan!
Best wishes to all,
David |
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allan
Saint Lucia
303 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2008 : 02:40:14
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Hi David,
I haven't used Vista but the ultimate destination of Gratis\Config is the same as XP and it is useful to know what is saved there.
Re styles - the style system is really great but it can be confusing at the start and it is a very important aspect of the program. I spent some time on it in the tutorial and recommend making sure you are clear on the difference between the style number and the description\name it is given, the difference between the number given when creating a DRA and assigning a style when loading a DRA, and why the appearance may suddenly change when the DRA is moved to the live layer.
Cheers,
Allan |
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Recycler
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2008 : 10:05:37
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Allan:
I was reading your last post to David smugly thinking to myself "yeah, yeah, been there, done that, know all that"  when I suddenly realised I couldn't envisage a situation where a layer's appearance might change when moved to the LL. Please could you elaborate a little?
Thanks - Mike -
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Edited by - Recycler on 03/12/2008 10:07:34 |
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allan
Saint Lucia
303 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2008 : 15:40:29
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Mike - I've sent a piece from a tutorial.
Allan |
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Hanno
United Kingdom
143 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2008 : 19:48:26
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I couldn't envisage a situation where a layer's appearance might change when moved to the LL. Please could you elaborate a little?
MM allows you to by-pass the STL in your project for any passive layer, to choose a seperate STL which is on file somewhere. When you copy such a layer in the Live Layer, it will let go of the link to the assigned style file but will take its colours from the STL in the project (the 'pencils on your desktop' as opposed to reading them from the 'pencils in a drawer')
Hanno
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johnnew
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2011 : 14:55:49
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From Allan above- quote:
Re styles - the style system is really great but it can be confusing at the start
I have reactivated this topic as it explains one of my current problems - several legacy style sheets each having slight differences. Could we please have a switch off option added into a future upgrade for the forced creation of a new project style sheet when first saving a project. I would much prefer it if all my projects shared a single master set as one common user style sheet.
Reason I've been trying recently to bring some old layers into one, new, merged, project as I have found better base mapping and the colours etc are all over the place.
Unless I'm missing something in Sec 3 covering Styles in the manual the inability (even when you select to use the default style set) to make a project point to and share a common master style set appears to be a gaping hole in MM. Is there a way to make all new & existing projects point to one style sheet for portability and such that any style set edit enables that change to apply across the board?
John New - User 2004/5 to 2010 of MM Gratis & now on Pro for mapping historic data and calibrating old mapping |
Edited by - johnnew on 29/01/2011 15:20:45 |
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Philippe
France
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Posted - 29/01/2011 : 15:54:10
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Originally posted by johnnew
... Is there a way to make all new & existing projects point to one style sheet for portability and such that any style set edit enables that change to apply across the board?...
What if you would define :
1) the default project style set as any of those contained in the Styles library (File/System set up/Styles library)... Edit/Style management/Save as default?
2) and, when legend is not needed, link any layers of a project with some other style set from the Styles library?
Wouldn't this solve the "new projects" part of the issue?
Bon courage,
Philippe |
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johnnew
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2011 : 16:01:48
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Thanks Phillipe.
I'll have a good look at this now I have found out that the system is working differently to the way I had been thinking it did in past projects.
John New - User 2004/5 to 2010 of MM Gratis & now on Pro for mapping historic data and calibrating old mapping |
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johnnew
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2011 : 12:33:11
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I have now reread Section 3 several times and can see where I made some fundamental errors when I first started using styles back in 2004. I think it is time now to "bite the bullet" and start again with a clean version of the master style file.
John New - User 2004/5 to 2010 of MM Gratis & now on Pro for mapping historic data and calibrating old mapping |
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davesgrandad
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2011 : 12:18:30
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Hi John,
I also am baffled by styles. If you have had a revelation, perhaps you might like to post your observations.
Most likely I am under the same sort of misapprehension that you were.
I also would like to set up a simple master style for everything, if possible.
Best wishes to all,
David |
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johnnew
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2011 : 13:55:02
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I have been assessing this for my latest project and have worked out what I was doing wrong conceptually, although I have yet to set up the style sheet. It will be a big job so I need to get it right before I start.
Through paid employment I began using GIS in the mid-1990s and the concept has always been to have a named style available to draw a certain feature. You make a layer and add lines and polygons based on a feature name. The basic MM style sheet has this concept embedded, it is what is expected as the norm.
For an even longer time I have done graphic design work going right back to tracing paper overlays and plastic sheet overlays for OHPs etc. In that field you make a named layer and just use plain lines to make the feature.
I think what I need to do is set up some plain style names red, blue, green etc., in various line types and line widths for universal use and bring those into a named layer i.e. as I would work in Photoshop.
So as an example outcome in the current project I can have a road layer just the same using red, yellow and grey lines but the basic red line could also be used in another project, for example, to outline a building plot. I wouldn't need a new style called plot outline to draw exactly the same line type on the map in the new project.
Hope this helps.
John New - User 2004/5 to 2010 of MM Gratis & now on Pro for mapping historic data and calibrating old mapping |
Edited by - johnnew on 04/02/2011 15:03:53 |
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johnnew
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2013 : 20:47:59
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After a long gap from using MM I have several map overlays to draw for use in my current film project and I note the style sheets still (annoyingly) change for every project and dra file MM saves.
I repeat the request I made a long time ago - can we have an option please to turn that feature off as in most things I do one master style file that is always the same would be more help and easier for infrequent users to create and plot with.
I agree that sometimes a new style sheet would be useful, I can understand why users would want that option hence my request for a toggle option so when a new project is created there is an option to either use the basic style sheet or create a project based one.
John New - Transport historian/researcher and Stephenson Locomotive Society Publicity Officer. |
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